Kvatch Kvetches - Dumber Than a Bag of Hammers

Ideas so obviously dumb even a frog can figure it out -

Assume Big Brother Is Watching You
Here's the deal--and I tell this to my colleagues and my subordinates--when it comes to computers, you don't have a right to privacy at work! Those computers...belong to the company. And so does the bandwidth; and the time you spend online; and the time you spend in the office. In short every bit that enters your workstation belongs to your employer, and you better assume they're watching. So if your comfortable with that off-color joke in email, that photo, or that MP3 better hope your employer is too! In short the only place you have a right to privacy at work is in the restroom, but if your take your laptop in there with you...all bets are off!

It Doesn't Spread Casually, So Don't Freakin' Vaccinate For It
I've resisted blogging about the new vaccine for human papilloma virus (HPV) because my feelings, in response to calls to vaccinate pre-teen girls (and now boys) for this disease, are...uh...strong. Here's the deal: It doesn't spread through causal contact people! So unless we're worried about 5th and 6th graders suddenly engaging in mass orgies, we don't have anything to worry about. Moreover, administrators who insist that this vaccine be administered as a prerequisite for entering school have taken leave of their flippin' senses. I'm all for a vaccine that ultimately cuts down the incidence of cervical cancer, but when it comes to teen and pre-teen girls, it's a private decision for the young lady and her family to make. Nuff said.


As a preschool teacher, I have had to testify twice in court over 2 children I discovered had been sexually abused by their families. One of those children had genital warts. She was 4 yrs old. In court, we discovered her sister had them also. She was less than 2 yrs old. Besides being absolutely horrifying to look at (below the Wash Post story is a link to see pix in fact) infected mommies put their unborn babies at risk during childbirth. As a mother of a 4 yr daughter, and as a pregnant woman, all I can say is this: Hubby and I have discussed this and we agree that our kids (regardless of sex) will be getting this vaccine sometime before they hit their teens. But when a child is abused and gets it, perhaps making it part of the entire childhood vaccine package is a smart idea. Being abused is horrifying enough. But being made to get cancer later in life due to that abuse is simply unspeakable.
I'm with you on this. What ever happened to being pro-choice? Forcing something on people because of a scare campaign by the media (the same people who said Iraq had WMD)is lunacy. The final decision should rest with the person whose body is being vaccinated.
Tina, though I applaud a parent weighing the pros and cons and making in informed decision for their child, I can't agree that societal perceptions of the tragedy of a particular disease (either how you get it or what it does to you) should be the deciding factor when it comes to immunizing children.

We immunize kids for measles, mumps, rubella, and chicken pox because these are highly infectious diseases that spread rapidly, can decimate the school age population, and can spread in more severe forms to the adult population. We immunize for TB and smallpox because again they are highly infectious and deadly. But, every time we choose to immunize the population en mass we're deciding that the short term benefits of disease control outweigh the long-term risk of mutation.

In the case of HPV, I think personal immunization is fine, but mass immunization is uncalled for.
I think it should be between the girl and her parents, at least if I had a daughter, that's the way I would want it. I think most wise parents would encourage it.
I do think the vacination should be between the girl and her parents, but here's a bubble burst for you - it's very common for 6th graders to be sexually active.
...but here's a bubble burst for you - it's very common for 6th graders to be sexually active.

Even with sexually active sixth graders, it's still not a "casual" contact. Boys don't sneeze and give the nearest girl HPV.
Come on now, if we let people make decisions for them selves...who knows what could happen!
Vaccination is not mandatory in CA. Parents can opt out of all of them. Not I; I lived through polio and all the rest of the childhood diseases.

If a safe vaccine came out for AIDS I'd be first in line and it's the same with this one. The state pays the girls' medical expenses and I'm waiting a little while to see if this vaccine is added to the list.

I've been thinking about this ever since I first read the post. I dislike governent interference; on the other hand I'd hate to see a girl develop cervical cancer because some parent with their head in the sand can't believe their sweet child would never do anything to cause it.

I'm still torn. That happens a lot with me.
i say why not? in any event it's good to have this vaccine readily available. Maybe 6th grade is overkill...
but if we can vaccinate for, i dunno rubella or something, then why not hpv?

p.s. Kvatch...have you considered haloscan or another system that doesn't require pesky word verification?
just wondering.
I disagree. HPV isn't spread by casual contact, but it does eventually affect about 50% of sexually active people at some point in their lives. If there's a safe, effective vaccine for it, why not use it? Because some parents might get the vapors at the implication that their child might have sex someday? Pshaw.
I personally like the "others" to stay out of my life...I think I can figure out what is best for myself and my children...I've always allowed my sons to be part of the decision making when appropriate. So I guess I'm saying it should be a families individual decision.
Granny, Jay, I was just trying to point out that if we choose to administer mass vaccinations, we need to be prepared for the stronger strains that will eventually show up. Targeted vaccinations reduces that risk.

Jay, what don't you like about word verification? And do you happen to know how Haloscan deals with comment spam?

Betty, I didn't know that. 50% is pretty widespread. Is that before some particular age?

Sumo, I agree. I just can't accept that this is on par with measles or smallpox.
I got that stat from the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, and it just said 50% would be affected at some point; it didn't break it down by age.

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