Your "Real ID" May Soon Be Your Passport
"Tent..Coleman stove..fishing pools...beer...passports..."
And what about your current driver's license? Well that's under the gun as well. The new federal standard is designed to make you have to hit the DMV for a new one sometime before 2013, and when you do...get this...you'll need to have with you:
- A photo ID (presumably the license that isn't good enough anymore)
- Your birth certificate
- Proof of your Social Security number
- Proof of residence
Guess my government hasn't considered that carrying my passport with me at all times might in and of itself pose a security risk. Though I suppose that they'll be taking care of that with an RFID transmitter.
"Your papers, please?"
Oh yeah, they'll arrest your ass anyway since your on their terrorist watch list.
License cars, not people.
Lew... Even more like the movies than before, I'd say. Having to whip out the passport seems much more like fiction that I want to contemplate.
Mr_Grant... Welcome to Blognonymous.
Abolishing the driver's license it a provocative notion. Setting aside how it would interfere with the Feds, how would you deal with drivers who need their licenses lifted?
The law here is strange. Only the transport dept or cops, in the case of a driving incident, have a legal right to see the drivers license. SSN is a tax file number here, which is only available (legally) to the tax office. The birth cert is an extract. All these can go to make up a 100 points ident.
But when I fell short a bank keycard – name only – was accepted as the top up. All to protect my identity of course.
If all Americans did this terrorism would end and crime would stop.
Not as long as there are still lefties underground. You know we all like to blow things up in the name of hugging trees.
What's so frustrating about this whole Real ID/papers please crap is that I have no problem envisioning the majority of Americans accepting this without question. This nation has been so conditioned over the last 50 years against some form of The Other, and now it's just easier because it's not a monolithic thing like the Soviet Union. Sure, your neighbor could've been a commie, but between swarthy types from the Middle East and Mexico, we'll, we're just surrounded, surrounded!
What a nation of cowards we are.
Daniel... You know I did that, though in a different location, and now I have to ask TSA for the private room every time I go through the airport. ;-)
Nvisiblewmn... That sucks. Imagine being an immigrant and wondering what papers you need to get from your government before coming here.
I know from my own family research, that when Social Security was implemented many people had to go back to their places of birth for documentation only to find that there was no documentation. Birth certificates were then generated on the spot.
The Senate voted 48-46 to kill a proposal to fund the Real ID Act. This means no money will be provided by the Senate to pay for Real ID, and the program is likely to face even stronger opposition from the states.
I just cut and pasted this from the ACLU site. Despite their ignorant statement about RealID being the first national ID (hello? social security card?) there's some great information on their web site.
Yup...Real ID has been pretty much "an unfunded mandate" since its inception. Chertoff doesn't care though. He was even quoted as saying that states much share in the burden of implementing it.
Navyswan... If the Feds decide to get nasty about it, that would put you in quite a bind. Good luck. Hope you don't need it.
Raffi... You said it! I want my "Mark-o-the-beast" right up front and center on my dome. ;-)
My goal on this subject is a thought experiment on ways to deprive the federal government of an easy way to create a national ID.
My theory on driver licensing, and I'm taking an extreme position just to see where it leads, is that abolishing the licensing of people will have no effect on the skill level of people out on the road.
A recent national study found 17% of drivers would fail the drivers test if they had to take it again. To me, this means we're spending a lot of tax dollars on a testing & licensing system that is only 83% effective. And I wonder what the margin of error was on the study.
At present the states license bad drivers. From what I read in the news, a significant number of people with revoked licenses drive anyway. We could deal with these problems in two ways (maybe more): have insurers require proof of completion of a operating skills course; states could certify those programs and audit them for adequacy. We would use law enforcement to manage bad drivers. For hardcore incompetents who continue to drive without proof of skill (and therefore insurance), we would use criminal penalties.
Would this reduce the number of incompetent drivers on the roads? I don't know. But the expensive licensing bureaucracy we now have doesn't seem to.
I would maintain vehicle licensing of course, for tax and law enforcement purposes. And mechanical inspections in states that require them.
The US has changed its requirements for travellers from other countries too. Up here in Canada we used to be able to travel into the states with little more than our driver's license. My mom went down to visit my aunt in Old Orchard Beach, Me. last week. She wanted to fly down, but couldn't, because that requires a passport now, and the passport office in Canada is backed up because of the sudden increase in demand. My brother volunteered to drive her down (a ten hour trip each way), which meant they both needed a birth certificate.
I can see this will have a negative impact on your tourist industry.
Yeah! If tourists can't get to Pike Place Market or Fisherman's Wharf to by cheap souvenirs made in China, then the terrorists have won!
I believe that 17% number. Probably would have been one of them myself. What made me a better, more attentive driver, was going through the formal motorcycle training courses.
Hariseldon... Just after 9/11, the Frogette and I got caught in Boston on our way to Canada when we forgot our passports--never needed them before and just didn't think it through.
Hariseldon... Sorry. Actually I do as you do. All the important forms of ID are in the safety deposit box.
Mr_Blog... Hey! What I want is terrorists buying cheap trinkets from China. Then we can really show 'em the superiority of our way of life.
Sumo... But do you really want to have the passport with you at all times. Seems a little creepy to me.
3. Terrorists die of lead poisoning.
4. The CEO of Wal-Mart becomes our next president and we become the United States of China.
It could happen.
Or maybe Hail Stalin/Kruschev/Breznhev/Andropov/Chernenko/etc... this is starting to reek of the Soviet Union and the travel restrictions it used to place on its citizens. People used to have to have permits to travel within their own country. Looks like where we're headed now, eh?
People used to have to have permits to travel within their own country.
Snave... Certainly seems that way doesn't it? You'll know we've got trouble if (when?) the US starts requiring cars to be equipped with GPS transmitters.