2007/06/18

Learning From Nuremberg... To Defend Torture

I hate it when people on either side of the political divide bring out the the heavy handed Nazi label. Tossing that label out there just stops debate. You can not expect the other side to listen or respond intelligently after being tarred with that label. For example, Rush Limbaugh long ago gave up any hope of holding an intelligent conversation with any self respecting feminist, by repeatedly invoking the appellation of feminazi.

But by golly, you can not ignore the eerie echoes from the practices of the Nazi's in regards to their interrogation of prisoners, and this administrations allowances for detainees interrogation in the so called war on terror.

Andrew Sullivan has the document proof that the same techniques which led to death penalty convictions from the Nuremberg trials have been authorized by President Bush. In fact the name for these techniques are identical in translation from German to English... they and we both calling it "enhanced interrogation" rather than torture.

In fact the Germans banned techniques which the Bush administration has allowed, because the methods were too harsh. Also the internal controls on who could be tortured were explicit, with each case being taken to regional commanders who authorized the ill treatment of the detainee. It seems that the Bush administration just told everybody the gloves were off, and many detainees around the world were abused by low level grunts with no oversight from the chain of command.

Not only that, but the legal justifications currently being given for enhanced interrogation in the so called war on terror are exactly echoed by the defense in the Nuremberg trials. Then as now, the people being tortured were not covered by the Geneva conventions as they were not uniformed combatants, the enhanced interrogations had to be conducted in order to save lives (the Nazi's had their own ticking time bombs), and so on.

I find it entirely unacceptable that the people leading this nation in a global struggle of freedom and democracy against intolerance and extremism have taken their cues from the monsters of history. It is appalling that the lessons the Bush administration have learned from the Nuremberg trials are the most effective arguments to use in a torture defense.

4 Comments:

bhfrik....

I have no trouble calling this administration the Republican Christian Fascist Nazi's and the Decider Der Fuehrer Bush.

Every policy he's advanced is just like the policies of Hitler and Nazi Germany.

We are a rogue nation and unless we or the world step up and remove this malignant cancer from our country we will be destroyed.

I pray everyday to see all of them standing trial in the Hague for War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity.

It's truly a shame that we can't arrest them all and try them for Treason. Which we all the carries the Death Penalty if convicted, which I also have no doubt they all would be.

I fear that he will take us into a war with Iran either directly or indirectly through Israel.

We as a nation are in real trouble and I don't think we can do anything about it now. I pray I'm wrong, but it don't look good for us.

God Bless.
Given George's great-grandfather and grandfather's ties to the Nazi regime, is anyone really surprised?
What we (as a nation) are doing in the middle east is committing genocide on a grander scale and labelling and justifying it as part of the "war on terror", another similarity between the Bush regime and the Nazis.....
You know... no matter how well it fits, I hate using that label. I guess when I first got into politics the debate was heated and so on, but it seemed like the two sides still had a basic level of respect for each other. I think that respect started to fundamentally change when Bush Sr. ran that horrible campaign against Dukakis...

And I must say, with the comparison in Nazi and our treatment of our prisoners... the shoe absolutely fits. I suppose another thing that makes me cringe when I say it is that this is the President of the United States of America! My nation. Gah!! However did it come to this.

Well, now that it has, I'll scream it from the rooftops. After all, it is the President who is trying his best to deserve the fascist label... We didn't make him do it, he's doing it to himself and I'm just being honest about it.
If torture works so great at obtaining information, then why don't we torture Scooter Libby and find out who outed Valerie Plame?

These sick fucks that are in power know torture doesn't work. They do for the sadistic aspects of it and to send a chill throughout the muslim community. They know they won't get any intelligence out of it.

It's sad and pathetic too see Bush just last fall feigning confusion over the Geneva Conventions, pondering what Human Dignity really meant while Gonzales called the Geneva Conventions quaint.

And then Bush goes on this God Bless America Let Freedom Ring tour during the G8 where he talked about none other than ensuring hunan dignity, human rights, liberty, and freedom.

They're all assholes plain and simple. They have an agenda and they have successfully implented it: Raid the treasury, steal Iraq's oil (still pending passage by the Iraqi Parliament of the Hyrdocarbon Law that contains production sharing agreements giving 80% of Iraq's oil profits to Chevron, Exxon, BP, and Shell), and ensure a permanent Republican Majortiy.

The later ofcourse being the job of Gonzales and Rove thus the vote caging and stacking of every government position possible with loyal Bushies including the DOJ.

Add a comment

Links to this post:

Create a Link