Didn't We Learn Anything From Agnew/Nixon?
Sure...it's probably true that the articles will go nowhere. Nancy Pelosi has already taken the possibility of impeaching Bush off the table and may consider this a monumental distraction, but let's consider what might happen if articles were forwarded to the Senate. Taking Spiro Agnew's situation as a guide, Cheney would probably be forced to resign during preparations for a Senate trial. Discovery alone would probably reveal enough to do Cheney in, but...once Cheney is gone, Bush is in the clear once and for all.
Why? Because Kucinich and Democrats will have squandered their one shot at the President. The so-called "crimes" of a Cheney trial are the same, or very closely related, to the "crimes" that would come up in a Bush impeachment trial, but having tried and failed with the Veep, neither Congress nor the American people are going to have the spine to go through it a second time. Moreover, if Cheney goes, then Bush gets to appoint a replacement before being impeached himself! Thus, there is no chance of having Speaker Pelosi assume the presidency. And finally, you have to wonder who Bush might appoint to replace Cheney? Perhaps CIA Director Hayden--a man that is is as close to the 'Head of Secret Police' as we have. Or Secretary of State Rice? In fact, many unattractive alternatives come to mind.
The idea is good. The timing is miserable.
(Thanks to Sumo for the inspiration.)
And they wonder why people don't vote.
Lew, Peacechick... I want them gone too, but given a choice wouldn't you rather see both of them impeached rather than just Cheney?
Oh...and look everyone...our Faux News troll is back.
The talking point from coast to coast seems to be that impeachment would be a waste of time, that by the time it was through Bush would be out of office. The other talking point is that there just isn't the votes in the Senate.
Ofcourse I disagree with this bullshit. I think we need to impeach Bush&Cheney for the simple reason to send a message to future Presidents that we will not tolerate our Constitution being violated.
I think Kucinich going after Cheney first was his way of doding the first anti-impeachment talking point, that if Bush is impeached, Cheney becomes president, which would be worse.
But you are right. I have heard already that if Cheney is impeached and/or steps down, that Bush is looking to appoint Jeb as VP.
regardless of what our politicians think, I believe impeachment of both Bush&Cheney is a necessity.
I don't know why so many democratic politicians have sucommbed to right wing talking points so fast, but they have.
In other words WE DON'T HAVE NO ERIC RUDOLPHS!!!!!!!!
But than were not like them either, we want to see them tried for their crimes either here or in the Hague under War Crimes Charges.
Maybe we'll be lucky one day and the Lord will answer our prayers. We can pray can't we? Or is that against the Law now?
We are no longer governed by our Constitution. Instead we are at the whim of the mad man Bush.
If Kucinich makes a statement that most of America agrees with and the "Liberal Media" REFUSES to cover it, did it reall ever happen at all?
After all, if you're pagan (for instance), you're not allowed to have your religious symbol on your soldier's grave...
AnonP... I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens after Bush leaves office. Can you say extradition?
LC... Don't you think that the Senate would just roll over for whomever Bush picked?
Nvisiblewmn... In the end, that's probably exactly what will have to happen.
UndeniableL... In a word, "NO!" That's why I'm wondering is this is all just a ploy for Kucinich. I mean is he out to become the Harold Stassan of the 00's?
Sewmouse... Is that true? No pagan symbols on the graves? That sucks! What if it were an agnostic? Perhaps just a question mark?
Praguetwin... Oh I think that most of us know. We're just hopeful that they'll collectively grow a pair.
Giving a President so much power seems to void the Parliament, make a mockery of it. George, it seems, is King!
Anyway, Kucinich may be jumping the gun JUST a bit. Let's see what happens during the next couple of weeks or the next month with Gonzales, and let's see if any other state legislatures besides Vermont's have the guts to approve resolutions demanding that Congress begin impeachment proceedings. If a few more states passed similar resolutions, such actions would become more than merely symbolic, and would become indicative of a growing national trend.
Kvatch, would California's state legislature approve of such a thing? Would Ahnold have to approve it before it got sent to Congress? I know that in Oregon, there might be a genuine chance for such a resolution to pass, given that the state House, Senate and governorship are all in Democrats' hands. Similar impeachment resolutions have been debated in Washington state, Wisconsin, and New Mexico.
I think we all need to write letters to our state legislators and ask them to please support any efforts of Congress to impeach Bush and Cheney. We should also be sending e-mails to the DNC, to moveon.org and to anyone else who might pay attention. Let's roll!
I think we all know that's never going to happen. But by all means, go ahead and keep on voting for them.
I'd go with the Menace's tactics If Only because I think that'd highlight a few criminal acts which would make NOT impeaching teh Shrub all but impossible.
Shake's Sister and yours truly both got our hackles up over this one last summer and, 'sfar as I can tell, ain't naught changed as of yet.
Snave... I think that the California Assembly probably would, but then once it's on The Governator's desk, it's a crap shoot. Would he sign it to appease the moderates--he's canny and has done this on many occasions--or would he veto? Hard to say.
Ouch, PT! Wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?
Michael... What do atheists get for their markers? I'm with you in that it seems like a pretty blatant form of discrimination.
Sounds like something to consider.
Ultimately, Bush, Cheney, Rove, and company, should be brought before the International Court of Justice for Crimes against Humanity.