Hot & Hunky Hydrogen Honda
Kvatch, you said the hydrogen honda gets 65 mpg "after factoring in the cost of fuel production". This begs the question, what is the actual MPG? ~~ D.K.
D.K., well said. For my part, I will not own a car again until I can get a compact sport-sedan that gets a combined MPG of 60 or better. As for the hydrogen vehicle, I think the article said 270 miles on 8 - 9 lbs of hydrogen.
It's a wonderful car - for targeted applications. I'm not sure we should be trying to force it on everybody. Detroit is not deliberately holding this technology back. They are holding back from releasing it until they have a vehicle that will match current safety standards, crash reliability that tree huggers demanded - and can be "gassed" up in five minutes, because it is a proven fact the public will not buy them in large numbers if those standards are not met - including California, home of the H1's idling on the freeways.:) And just sure as hell - the first person that buys one of these toy cars, then crashes it and blows half of himself to kingdom come, is going to sue GM for billions.
Blaming all ills on Detroit is exactly like blaming all declining morality on "San Francisco values." It's convenient, it's a big, easy target - but it isn't right. There are a lot more reasons to be found as to why our environment is so eff'd up by looking in the mirror, then at our consumption habits of other products! Removing the pollution emitted from making the plastic every thing's wrapped in, would be one hell of a start. Then if we "DEMANDED" the two jillion computers in the country to be unplugged....you get the idea, I'm sure. Detroit is part of the problem - not all of it. The rest is in the mirror.
I'm done now, and thank you!:)
why build these special cars when we already have cars that use alternative fuels with no modifications?
buy a diesel and use bio-diesel! and my bio-baby can haul ass - she is strong as an ox!!
TFWY, who wants to force it on everybody? Not me. I've lived in Minnesnowta, and know what starting a car at 40 below is like. But, that said, I was merely trying to point out the irony of Honda beating out an industry that uses the mantra "we're going straight to hydrogen," as an excuse to provide few or no hybrids.
AZG...in three words, "greenhouse gas emissions". Though a hydrogen solution is not without cost (producing the hydrogen itself requires fossil fuels and has emissions), the amount produced is less than for alternative fuels like bio-diesel. That's not to say that bio-diesel is not better than diesel or octane. It is. It's just a matter of degree.
I remember how I used to laugh and laugh at Toyotas and Datsuns back in the late 70's. Well HA HA HA Smartypants Snave, look what happened! It sure didn't take those Japanese automakers very long to surpass American autos in terms of quality. When I was driving my crappy 1970 Ford Maverick that was falling apart in 1978, I sure as heck wished I had had a Toyota. When I drove a crappy Dodge Caravan in 1989, I was thinking about how much nicer it would have been to have had a Subaru wagon. In 1993, when I was driving a really shitty 1984 Ford Bronco II, I sorely wished I had been smart enough to be driving a Toyota truck instead. My wife and daughters and I are now a four-Toyota family, and I couldn't be happier with our cars. I got tired of waiting for American automakers to produce something good, and especially got tired of waiting about 25 years for Yankee ingenuity to produce a hybrid vehicle. We have a couple of hybrid cars, and I think they're great. I wouldn't want to force alternative automobile technology on everyone... where we live, if you live out in the country in the winter, you just about need a large four-wheel drive vehicle. I think it kind of depends on where you live. We live in town, and there is snow every winter, but I'm not worried.
I think American automakers have increased quality because they have HAD to. Nowadays, I think it's like it was over 25 years ago... Americans laugh at hybrids and dismiss that technology while they drive non-fuel-efficient American-made vehicles. Well, pretty soon I think we Americans are going to see another HA HA HA moment, whether it's hybrid, hydrogen, biodiesel technology, whatever... American automakers will HAVE to start producing those kinds of vehicles in order to keep from going under, and the sad thing is that companies like Toyota and Honda are already miles ahead of Daimler/Chrysler and GM. At least Ford is tinkering a bit with hybrid technology, with their Ford Escape... my hat's off to Ford for that. But the priorities of the American automakers apparently haven't been geared toward better fuel economy and lower emissions, for whatever reasons, until recently. The Japanese automakers seem to have had a better idea, for a long time now.
Not to put a damper on your very fine comment there, Snave my friend, but Ford bought Toyata's tech to put in the Escape. ;-)